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Post by Zadkiel on Jan 12, 2016 18:51:51 GMT
The Great Pyramid was an energy reactor that transformed Earth's natural vibrations into electricity by using sound waves and a resonance that was exposed to hydrogen gas. The infrastructure of the pyramid is in character with this view when everything is seen in context and you know what to look for.
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Post by Tundra on Jan 21, 2016 10:10:04 GMT
I see all kinds of flaws with this theory.
If it was a reactor, why did they put dead people in them? Why build them in different sizes? What purpose does the Sphinx serve as an adjacent structure? Why did it stop functioning?
Pyramid structures have been built in several cultures around the world, across various ages, would these also have served as energy reactors? And why is this not common knowledge?
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Post by Zadkiel on Jan 21, 2016 18:07:35 GMT
Dead people? here, we touch the core of the myth. There has been found no traces of human remains in the Great Pyramid. No one has come across any evidence that there were ever authentic funerals and burials of people in any of the three pyramids at Giza. The organic remains discovered in the Second Pyramid appeared to originate from a bull. There was discovered a human corpse in the Third Pyramid, but it proved to be from the 26th Dynasty, more than thousand years after its alleged construction, while the Bent Pyramid at Dashur contained the remains of an owl and five bats.
Besides, there has never been found an Egyptian king's tomb above ground level. But many generations of Egyptologists have steadfastly continued to declare that the pyramids were only built as burial monuments; and that all the mathematical and geodetic relationships that they express are "pure coincidences" and "lucky hits". Such statements, however, have not impressed their academic opponents or proponents of alternative theories.
According to Christopher Dunn, there are also structural phenomena in the largest pyramids that are incompatible with the theory that they are temples, tombs or mausoleums. Murry Hope is confident that the shape of the Great Pyramid indicates a completely different function than a tomb.
In my opinion, only the Great Pyramid was used as an energy reactor. Reference, Christopher Dunn: The Giza Power Plant (Bear & Co, Santa Fe, 1998). Neither Dunn nor other of my source people has commented on the purpose of the smaller pyramids, except for the so-called "Satellite Pyramids", which were most likely erected as monuments in honour of queens and goddesses.
The Sphinx may have been constructed as "a geological marker" that faces due east and stares at "its celestial counterpart" on the starry sky. If we should take the experts' opinion at face value, it represents the image of a lion, although its head is in the shape of a human. But since it's disproportionally small in relation to the body, it may have been remodeled from a lion's head at a later time. If this idea is correct, it's reasonable to believed that the monument was carved out of the bedrock on the Giza plateau during the astrological age of Leo, which ended in the year -8536, just like Robert Bauval and Graham Hancock suggest.
There are several reasons why an energy reactor in the Great Pyramid would stop functioning. The technology could have become outdated and nobody knew how to operate it anymore; a civil war could have led to irreparable damage to the system or a religious revolution may have led to the fact that it fell out of favour with the leading secular and spiritual élite. While Christopher Dunn and others have focused on the technical aspects of it, they have written little about the political and administrative details, so here, we have to use our sound judgment.
You are absolutely right that pyramid structures have been used all over the world. No, I don't think that they were all energy reactors, but rather that the shape was chosen because its more stable than cubes, cylinders, cones etc...
While not exact copies, it has nevertheless been suggested that the Mexican Pyramids have been influenced by their Egyptian counterparts. This theory includes trans-Atlantic contact 3000 years ago.
Like most of my 100 hypotheses, the info is not common knowledge because it's too controversial to be accepted by mainstream scholars, whose opinions normally decide what is written in history books. Despite what I have referred to, most books and tourist guides still blatantly claim that "all the pyramids in Egypt are grave monuments".
[This post can also be used to defend the claim of my hypothesis number 12, as the content overlaps.]
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Post by Tundra on Jan 21, 2016 18:42:52 GMT
I'll have to concede the point of them being tombs. I couldn't actually find out right now, which Pharaoe was buried in which pyramid, even though that seems like something you should be able to Google in 2 minutes. The Great Pyramid did however contain a sarcophagus. It doesn't make much sense, in relation to your theory, that It'd be empty, but I think It makes even less sense, to put a coffin in a building meant to be a reactor.
I'd love to hear more about how the building would even function as a reactor though. Where would the controls be? How would they distribute the energy created?
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Post by Zadkiel on Jan 21, 2016 20:46:51 GMT
The "sarcophagus" in the Great Pyramid was never intended to contain the body (mummy) of a dead king, but rather an essential part of the energy process. It lacks the mandatory lid found elsewhere in funerary boxes and is too big to hav been placed there after the pyramid was constructed, so it must have been a part of the original design. Google only provides you with more references to myths and theories, not indisputable facts one way or the other. Regarding the energy production: I will now provide a truncated excerpt from Dunn's book referred to above mixed with elements from other sources and my own conclusions. The forty-three granite beams in the rooms above the King's Chamber are not included in the structure to distribute the weight away from the chamber's ceiling. Instead, Dunn is sure that they have a completely different purpose. He compares each of them to a bridge located over an air-span with its own resonance frequency. If all the beams are tuned to the same frequency, they will act in harmony with the first that reacts to a sound and then begin to vibrate after, let's say, a blow with a metal object. Christopher Dunn writes that "the granite complex of the King's Chamber was able to transform Earth's vibrations into electricity". While these vibrations spread around in the Great Pyramid, resonators located in the Grand Gallery converted the sound vibration to energy, which was reflected through the opening of the King's Chamber, where it set the granite beams in the rooms above in motion. The whole complex can thus be considered as "a single large vibrating mass of energy". The granite around the King's Chamber ensures a long resonance time and good acoustics must have been the main reason why precisely this particular rock type was chosen. That the King's Chamber and "the sarcophagus" have the same frequency cannot be a coincidence. The architect's choice of length, width and height of the King's Chamber must also have been carefully considered to achieve a powerful, low-frequency resonance. Christopher Dunn argues that the granite plugs were placed where they are to reflect sound waves back towards the Grand Gallery, as a means of taking better care of the energy. This could only be made by the help of granite with the same frequency as the other granite blocks and this is why limestone blocks were not used. Dunn further believes that they were also used to direct sound waves with other frequencies into the complex from the outside, to ensure that the energy level didn't become so high that one could run the risk that the entire system was destroyed. Earth's energy was, in Dunn's opinion, thus reinforced by the resonance in the granite complex around the King's Chamber, but it was not the only process that went on there. At that time, the chamber was filled with hydrogen gas, which was produced in the Queen's Chamber. The resonance in the King's Chamber had to be adjusted, to harmonize with the frequency of hydrogen, so that the hydrogen atoms could absorb the energy in the chamber. That the sound waves moving through the Grand Gallery were reinforced before they were brought into the King's Chamber meant that the hydrogen gas was added to achieve a higher energy level. Christopher Dunn describes the King's Chamber as "a technical marvel that transformed Earth's mechanical energy into useful electrical power. Those sound waves that had the wrong frequency when they reached the summit of the Grand Gallery were absorbed by what Dunn calls "an acoustic filter", which he believes was situated in the low passage known as "the Antechamber". The North Shaft in the King's Chamber acted as a feeder tube for the microwave signal that initiated the whole process. The remnants of the gilded iron plates that have been found around the South Shaft indicate that both shafts in the King's Chamber were originally covered with these plates, which functioned as electrical conductors. The granite box was not originally placed where it now stands, in the chamber's west end, but it was instead placed between the two shafts, where it functioned as an amplifier for the signal coming out of the North Shaft. The signal was taken directly to the southern short side of the box and thereafter reflected towards the northern short side before it was directed towards the funnel-shaped mouth of the South Shaft, which Dunn describes as "a horn antenna". This energy reactor in the King's Chamber could not function without hydrogen, which was formed by a chemical reaction in the Queen's Chamber. When Flinders Petrie surveyed this chamber, he noticed a salt layer that in some places was several centimeters thick. He never found any solution to the mystery of where the salt could have come from, but today, we know the answer, thanks to Christopher Dunn's analysis. The salt was deposited by hot, freshly formed hydrogen gas that reacted with the calcium in the limestone walls. In 1978, the Arizona Bureau of Geology and Mineral Technology analyzed a sample of this salt. It turned out that it contained a mixture of calcium carbonate (limestone), sodium chloride (salt) and calcium sulfate (gypsum). This is, in Dunn's opinion, exactly what you can expect to find in a chamber that produces hydrogen gas. He invited the engineer Joseph Drejewski to look at his theory and the latter agreed with Dunn that the niche in the Queen's Chamber's east wall must have contained what the two researchers call "a cooling tower" or "an evaporation tower". Christopher Dunn is also of the opinion that the Queen's Chamber was fed with liquid chemicals through small holes in the shaft's side walls. The cracks discovered by Waynman Dixon were not defects, but a part of the original function. Dunn has also launched the theory that the copper clamps that Rudolf Gantenbrink's robot detected in the Queen's Chamber's South Shaft neither are door hinges nor stoppers to prevent a stone slab from sliding down the shaft. Instead, he believes that they are electrical conductors reminiscent of electrodes. If the chamber was fed with a proper amount of hydro-chloride, the pyramid builders had to develop a sensor system. The copper terminals must have functioned as a switch that was connected to the peace of wood and the bronze hook that Waynman Dixon found. As long as the shaft was full of fluid, the wood would act as a floating device and electricity would have pulsated from one clamp, through the hook and back to the other clamp. As soon as the liquid level of the shaft started to sink, the wood would also sink, the bronze hook lost contact with the copper clamps and the contact would be broken. This must have been a signal that more fluid must be filled down the shaft, until the hook again came in contact with the electrodes. The small notch in one corner of "Gantenbrink's Door" is large enough to let an adequate amount of fluid escape through it. In the North Shaft, something similar happened with zinc-chloride. The two ingredients react with each other, so that hydrogen gas is formed. After having seen Rudolf Gantenbrink's film of the South Shaft, Christopher Dunn believes that the erosion damage on the lower part of it is due to chemical wear. Dunn argues that much of the evidence that the Great Pyramid acted as an energy reactor is a consequence of an accident that happened there. The hydrogen gas is in the King's Chamber must have exploded in such a powerful way that the walls were pushed outwards and the roof beams cracked. Those that had oversight of the reactor needed to enter the Pyramid in order to repair the damage. One can clearly see that they have tried to seal the cracks in the ceiling with plaster. An attempt to repair defective beams with plaster would have been foolish, but not an attempt to make a room air-tight again. If much of the hydrogen gas leaked out of the King's Chamber, this would have affected the reactor's efficiency. The chambers in the Great Pyramid also bear signs of having been exposed to high temperatures. The granite box shows signs of having melted and scientists do not believe that the missing piece has been knocked off. The King's Chamber developed a combination of acoustic and electromagnetic energy, which covered a wide range of harmonic frequencies. This process built up steadily stronger and the energy was carried out of the Pyramid through the South Shaft. Christopher Dunn believes that the ancient Egyptians used the energy for light and to operate machinery with. He is convinced that it must have been electrical machines that have made the stone artifacts that baffled Flinders Petrie. The technique that was used to create electricity in the Great Pyramid is unique and we have not found anything similar elsewhere. Afterthought: Although Dunn hasn't written much about it, some scholars think that the control centre for the entire operation was either located in the subterranean chamber of the Great Pyramid or somewhere in the Second Pyramid. As I have taken the quotes here and there out of context from my prior work, I haven't explained who some of the people I have referred to are. But I'll eventually introduce them in the Gallery of Portraits. BTW: Thanks for really challenging me in an intelligent way!
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Post by Tundra on Jan 27, 2016 14:10:15 GMT
Researching the notion that limestone and granite would be suitable materials for constructing an energy reactor, these guys summarized my findings rather neatly: www.metabunk.org/pyramid-power-plant-debunked.t4959/One commenter, Bill, specifically addresses Christopher Dunns claims. Another thing I simply must object to, with respect, is your claim that "the info is not common knowledge because it's too controversial to be accepted by mainstream scholars" Personally, If a theory isn't widely adopted by mainstream science, It's certainly not because It's simply too controversial. All scientific reports worth anything, are published to peer reviews on a global scale, so all scientists in that relevant field can review, and research each others findings objectively, and individually. Much like we do here. In most cases, they simply all reach the same logical conclusions based on the evidence put forth. Like your idea that the various civilizations built pyramids not because aliens told them to, but because they simply found out that a pyramid stone structure, was a very solid way to build things. Recently, some scientists began saying that the Spinosaurus (the big 'villain' dinosaur from Jurassic Park 3), might not have walked upright, but rather walked closer to the ground, like a modern crocodilian. There's both evidence for, and against it, but no one's disregarding the claim simply because It's controversial. Similarly, a (terrible) rapper also recently began arguing that the Earth is in fact flat (drawing this conclusion based on his own perceived evidence), even going so far as to challenge Neil DeGrasse Tyson. He also mentions human cloning among other topics. Extremely controversial, but by no means true, mankind has known the Earth is round for thousands of years now. The rapper in question's Twitter account, where he posts "evidence" for his claims; twitter.com/bobatl?ref_src=twsrc%5EtfwAny theory, or hypotheses shouldn't be judged on how outrageous the claims are, or how much it goes against established science, but simply by the evidence for and against it. And in this topic, the evidence and reasoning I see leads me to conclude that the pyramids were very glorified monuments, and little else. Extremely impressive feats of architecture, but well within the capabilities of ancient Egyptian society.
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Post by Zadkiel on Jan 27, 2016 14:58:50 GMT
"Common knowledge" is propagated through the "accepted" channels, like history books, where the mainstream scholars normally are free to elaborate their view, while others struggle to be heard. It takes a very long time for a new idea to be accepted or even considered, particularly because it is often combatted ardently by the holders of the opposite opinion. Flinders Petrie objected to many of his contemporary Egyptologists' conclusions, but he lacked the knowledge to disprove them, particularly regarding the tools used by the makers of the incredibly thin-walled and long-necked vases with a narrow opening and wide hollow body deeper down (I have now entered the topic of Hypothesis 16, BTW). However, Petrie was honest enough to acknowledge that he didn't know how the vases were made, while other Egyptologists have claimed as "truths" that they were carved out by the help of primitive bronze tools, while we several places (including the granite box in the King's Chamber) see the remains of tubular drills that have eaten their way down into the stone with traceable grooves, whose telltale marks bear witness of a high-tech culture and advanced machinery. Most modern engineers that see the vases today and are asked to estimate how they have been made without being told where they stem from suggest that ultra-sound drilling equipment must have been involved. And that normally requires electricity as a power source. We frequently have to admit that we only rediscover things that have been known and used before, then forgotten, so I have no problems imagining advanced cultures in the past with such knowledge. To include aliens in the equation is almost as bad as involving supernatural beings, in my opinion, since nothing can be proved and it's just a cheap way to divert the attention away from more plausible solutions. About flat earth: I debated that theory with a friend of mine that is somewhat prone to accept unorthodox ideas without questioning them first. I had a hard time convincing this otherwise level-headed guy that our planet really is spherical, despite the fact that he has made intercontinental flights many times and seen the curved "edge" of the horizon from an altitude of 30000 feet. If the earth is flat, where are its outer limits; and why doesn't it take longer to travel between them then to and from a central point that a spherical globe indicates is equally distant?
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Post by Tundra on Jan 29, 2016 1:50:18 GMT
I'll address some of your points for convenience.
I'd argue that in this day and age, anyone can be heard. Case in point, the rapper I mentioned earlier. The internet allows anyone to put forth virtually any claim, along with their evidence to support it. This of course is a two way street, so opponents to such claims are equally free to dispute them. Furthermore, I'd argue that shows like Ancient Aliens also contribute to new, or controversial scientific claims.
But again I must insist that these types of ideas aren't combatted simply because mainstream scholars adhere to an older set of ideas, but because they're simply less likely to be true.
Normally, yes. But back then, they probably relied on things like Bow Drills, or even hand drills. Does Dunn offer any ideas as to how much power this theoretical plant could produce? And how they would harness it to power tools? Have any tools been discovered that clearly used another power source other than manual labor?
This is an undisputed fact I agree completely, though I'm not sure how frequent such discoveries are. But, while It's known that the Vikings possessed, for a brief period in history, metallurgically far superior swords to anyone else in Europe, and indeed almost anywhere, and the Greeks had at least one Antikythera mechanism (an analog computer that did not use electricity), the jump between such items, and a full on electrical power plant is vast.
Last note on the Flat Earth theory; I'm just shocked. Mankind has known for thousands of years that the Earth is round. I cannot fathom how modern society has reached a point where something so well established, something so undeniable, is up for debate amongst denizens of first world nations.
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Post by Zadkiel on Jan 29, 2016 9:51:58 GMT
This is of course quite correct, but a hypothesis doesn't carry much weight among common people unless it's included in history books and popular magazines, where it must be presented in a serious way instead of introduced as "a fringe opinion", for it to be fairly treated.
How much power? Unfortunately not. On page 220, he refers to "a microwave power output" in an illustration, then continues to write about "a tightly collimated beam" on page 222. Over the next pages, he hints that the electricity was distributed along similar lines as those Nikola Tesla experimented with, through wireless transmission between towers. On page 232, he is stating Brad Steiger's book Worlds before Our Own as one of his sources. Steiger is referring to a professor S R Harris (an electromagnetic engineer), who in his earlier works mentions "electron tubes", "a bundle of conducting wires" and "high voltage insulators" in connection with Egyptian temple inscriptions. While Dunn, Steiger and Harris obviously interpret these depictions as concrete renderings of technical details, mainstream Egyptologists typically claim that they only have a symbolical and/or religious significance. On page 245, Dunn also writes about Steiger referring to nuclear power and uranium deposits that have been depleted in antiquity, while the Giza Power Plant was producing power based on earth magnetism and sound waves.
No, but several authors have compared this situation to the thousands of tanks left on World War 1 battlefields. Where are they today? 100 years later, we find surprisingly few remains of those big iron monsters, as metal corrodes and disintegrates at a fast rate when not maintained properly. Thus, it would be pointless to search for traces of 5000 years old metal in Egypt. Maybe some of it will still be revealed one day, though, unless dishonest scholars suppress or destroy such potential discoveries first, in an attempt to hide evidence that they are wrong.
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Post by Tundra on Jan 29, 2016 17:41:26 GMT
I'll have to agree. But I believe that when theories and such do get included into history and school text books, It's when they reach a point where they're the summit of our accumulated knowledge on a particular topic. Of course there is a point prior to the book stage, when a scientist, physicist or archeologist first present a new theory, or argues for changes to older ones, they publish their findings in public scientific journals for peer review, the most important part of the scientific method.
Where's the evidence? What powered these hypothetical energy towers? If the Pyramid itself was a power plant, how did they use electric tools to construct it? If they already had electricity enough to power construction tools, why build another power plant?
Well this would be easy to prove, Uranium has a half life of at least hundreds of millions of years, any Geiger counter would pick the traces if they'd accumulated any signifigant quantity of it.
Not being an engineer, physicist or anything, but I have a very hard time believing those methods could produce any kind of signifigant power output.
A mix of that, and presumably many of them were stripped of any metal after the war. But you can't generalize all metals as corroding fast if not maintained. World War 1 tanks were probably not made from very high quality steel, couple that with the conditions they had to fight in, and how new the whole concept was, and yeah, they'll corrode fast. But bronze for example, Is naturally resistent to forms of corrosion that would wear down regular iron. You'll find many many artifacts from the bronze age around the globe, Egypt being no exception.
While things like this have happened, I won't believe discoveries such a ancient electric tools would ever just be destroyed simply because it contradicts established theories. When archeologists establish dig sites, they first research potential sites where discoveries could be made. Resources and personel are supplied to aid the dig, typically one or more established archeologists head the project. A man can't simply take a newly discovered artifact, and destroy it in front of dozens, or hundreds of witnesses.
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Post by Zadkiel on Jan 29, 2016 18:28:47 GMT
Good question. Your intelligent reasoning makes my mind see things from other angles here. Until now, I have been so busy picking on the unacceptable "grave chamber" theory that I might have been a little too fascinated by Dunn's down to earth suggestions to not question them enough. They just clicked with me because he provides plausible explanations to every point that I couldn't - and still can't - except about the traditional theories. One possibility is of course that the tools to make it were powered by electricity from a smaller plant, which has since disappeared, but like you write, that would just be speculation. I'm not an airline pilot, either, so whenever I enter a plane, I trust that the cockpit crew will bring me safe to my destination. The same goes for experts on various scientific topics. Dunn is a mechanical engineer that participated in the space programme, his expertise lies with metals and rocks. And wherever his competence falls short, he calls in other experts in various fields to verify his hypotheses. That's what makes his ideas so believable, because they cover a wide range of details. I'm sure that you'd also be interested to read his book. Several authors of books I have read about this subject suggest that during the pyramid-building age, metal was so precious that it was smelted and reused once it had served its purpose. They also hint that tools were controlled by the priests and eventually used for religious rituals when the practical use had expired. Flinders Petrie didn't think that the old Egyptians knew iron, so he proposed that they used golden saws with teeth of hard gemstones to cut rock. But a finding of an iron plate at the top of the South Shaft of the Giza Pyramid busts this myth. www.gizapyramid.com/hidden.htmPerhaps not today, but during Flinders Petrie's time, it could have been possible. We know that some corrupt anthropologists at British Museum "filed away" controversial skulls and bones to suppress rival theories about humanity's origins and also that there circulated lists with the names of certain Dead Sea scrolls that Norman Golb and Robert Eisenman wanted to examine, but have since vanished without a trace. I'm sure that the curators of the Giza Plateau know more than they are willing to admit, just to mention another such situation.
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